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| 4rum
Member Username: 4rum Post Number: 66 Registered: 12-2006 |
Good morning WP. With highest regard and respect for all you folks, I don't see much rhyming poetry here. That is not a fault, it's a matter of preference. I like rhyming poetry and certainly do not wish to impose it on you wonderful people. I'm very aware that some feel that freedom is lost in trying to rhyme sometimes, I know I am guilty of this myself, but I still like this type of poetry in gerenal. My point here is, you are a super nice group. I would hate to walk around here with TP on my shoe just because you folks are being polite. I certainly enjoy and appreciate free verse. This is the form and style most presented here at WP, I just really do not want to upset anyone, or post material that is not mainstream with the population. This note is in no way meant to take away from this site or anyone here. It's a wonderful place, I see a lot of caring members. I wish each of you JOY in your writing. I'm going to go 'cream' someone in limericks now... be back in a bit  | ||
| Jessica AC Snyder
Member Username: enigmatica Post Number: 73 Registered: 12-2006 |
Some of us quite like rhyming poetry, both reading and writing it, so you aren't alone, 4rum. Of course I, too, am a newbie, and have noticed that there isn’t much rhyming outside of the community forum. Maybe we can tip the scales? I don't think the lack of it here is due to a universal lack of respect or appreciation for it, but I will admit that I am reluctant to post rhyming or even unrhymed formal poetry. I’ve actually been attacked before (not here) because I posted a sonnet, and am always a bit gun-shy. I was genuinely surprised and relieved when my rhyming quatrain was received well in the weekly competition. Your quite humorous and rhyming verses have been very well received, also. So I don’t think either of us are “imposing” if we post it. But, if you are asking for other poets to post formal verse, perhaps it is an imposition. Too often, I’ve gotten the feeling that rhymes are seen as an immediate signal of inferior or less-mature artistry in forums that wish to consider themselves as serious poetry communities. Perhaps it's because so many of us as poets remember the horridly trite rhyming verse (notice I did NOT say poetry) that we wrote as children or adolescents. When we are children, we think anything that rhymes is great poetry. When we grow as poets, we learn better. Couple that remembrance with the facts that rhyming can be extremely hard to pull off without sounding forced or cheesy, and that freeverse allows for some things not allowed for in rhyming or formal poetry, and it is easy to understand why freeverse is the form of choice for many poets. Thus, freeverse is most prominent in online communities and in most literary journals. In fact, many immediately preclude formal verse. It's simply a sad fact that those of us who love formal poetry must suffer. | ||
| 4rum
Member Username: 4rum Post Number: 67 Registered: 12-2006 |
Dear Jessica; I think you understand my note well. I am totally supportive of the wonderful folks I have met here. I have NO consideration for myself in this... there are thousands of sites and forums for any type of literature we care to seek out. My note is mostly just an observation. No one here has been less than courteous in any way, on the contrary, everyone has been very gracious. I just took note that there is not a great deal of rhyming poetry. A different personality or character type can cause disent in a group of close knit members. I do not want that. I have great regard for WP, its administration and membership. | ||
| Gary Blankenship
Senior Member Username: garyb Post Number: 10020 Registered: 07-2001 |
Rum, I also hang out in a British house and there I see more willingness to rhyme than in the states, probably because they've been schooled in rhyme and meter more than us cousins. There are rhyme sites, including a tough house devoted to sonnets, but allowing other rhyme in one of their forums. As for Wild, I've never seen rhyme dissed unless it was the jingly type. I have in other forums. As for me, tis not the rhyme. I enjoy the challenge of limericks -though as noted in my last, I need help from a rhyming dictionary. Meter and rhyme together have defeated me, as in traditional sonnets. Of course, it's been a bit since I penned one so maybe they would not now... Yeah, sure... At any rate, continue the formal in all it's glorious forms. Diversity is good. Smiles. Gary A River Transformed The Dawg House July FireWeed more War/Peace | ||
| Bren
Advanced Member Username: bren Post Number: 1733 Registered: 12-2001 |
4Rum, no need to worry at Wild, it's not like other forums at all. Always open and honest. I love reading rhyme but don't write it well. I did post one for you to consider but it's not as well done as yours! I don't find yours to be forced and I battle that when I attempt rhyming so I don't try often. Sheesh let's face it, I battle myself when writing anything but I don't worry about how my odd poetry will be accepted here at Wild and I love that! Bren PenShells | ||
| Fred Longworth
Intermediate Member Username: sandiegopoet Post Number: 820 Registered: 05-2006 |
I use rhyme often in funny or satirical poems, especially poems intended to be read aloud. Of the "page poems" I write, only about 5% employ end-rhyme. My beef with rhyme is simple. A vast majority of the newly-written rhyming poetry I run across -- sonnets excepted -- strikes me as utter crap. The rhymes don't follow the meaning; the meanings follow the rhyme. The writer usually didn't use a rhyming dictionary, so the inventory of words to pick from was extremely limited. Usually the poems are nearly devoid of figurative language. They eschew vivid description. A good share of the time, the topic of such poems is either "difficulty in love" or self-referential socio-political commentary (e.g. I'm a fill-in-the-blank and everyone mistreats me because of it) -- and the constraint of the poet's 100-word rhyming vocabulary essentially guarantees that nothing the least bit original will be said. Often, the slavish adherence to rhyme-above-all-else generates humor where humor was not intended: Lenore, I love you more and more, Love is all that life is for at the core. If we sleep together you won't snore. Fred | ||
| LJ Cohen
Moderator Username: ljc Post Number: 6008 Registered: 07-2002 |
4Rum, I have found your rhyming verse sophisticated and extremely well written. I hope you will consider continuing to post it here for our enjoyment and critique. Perhaps you can jump start wild's reluctant rhymers. This is also a fairly slow time on the board, given that many of our members (and the moderators!) are traveling for the holidays/school vacations. Stick around a bit--give us some time to brush off our rhyming/metrical skills and see if the forum is able to give you what you are looking for. best, ljc Once in a Blue Muse Blog | ||
| 4rum
Member Username: 4rum Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2006 |
Oh my... such wonderful responses. I hope everyone will understand, it is BECAUSE everyone is so nice here that I asked my question in the first place. I don't want or expect anyone to change or conform, I simply feel that to be an active part of any fourm, a new person needs to be aware of the membership. Usually I wll take some time, look around, and eventually venture a post or two. Here, EVERYONE has been cordial, encouraging and friendly, we just didn't seem to write the same types of poetry. That takes nothing from your or me. The quality of a write will depend on many things, experience, purpose, subject, the knowledge of it and certainly not the least intellect and education. In the last two I am terribly lacking. Seriously. I wish to thank everyone for their response. It is everything I expected from such a fine group. | ||
| Danielle Stokes
Intermediate Member Username: abornpoet Post Number: 670 Registered: 08-2005 |
Hi Rum, I agree with Lisa, PLEASE continue with your original style. I look forward to it as do many others. You're great at rhyme and from what I can tell, a great guy all around with a sense of humor. I love rhyming too (even acrostics). We've all had this same discussion before "To Rhyme or Not to Rhyme" and for the same reason. Just my 2 cents. Take care Rum, ~Danielle | ||
| Kathy Paupore
Moderator Username: kathy Post Number: 4261 Registered: 12-2003 |
4Rum, I have tried end-rhyme and I'm not very good at it so I tend to stay away from it. I think it is very difficult to do and do well. I tend not to offer much crit on it either because I don't have the skill with it. There are a few threads on rhyme in Naturopathy under techniques. I enjoyed your cat poem very much and found the rhyme skillfull. Please keep posting. KYou're invited to: Wild Flowers "A poem is made up of words and the spaces between them." WCWilliams | ||
| Zephyr
Senior Member Username: zephyr Post Number: 5577 Registered: 07-2003 |
4rum, we all have very different styles here, and yours is as welcome as any others. Secretly, we can admire your skill with rhyme, knowing how difficult we find it ourselves.  Best wishes Zephyr Igor Stravinsky In order to create there must be a dynamic force, and what force is more potent than love? | ||
| 4rum
Member Username: 4rum Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thanks everyone, now don't take my inquisitiveness too seriously. I have no problem with the site, the poetry or the writers here... just didn't want to be a problem myself. Now... maybe I should quit foolin' around an' go actually write something. Thanx all. | ||
| ~M~
Board Administrator Username: mjm Post Number: 9182 Registered: 11-1998 |
Dear 4rum -- never fear. As the other members have explained, poetry of every type is welcome here at Wild. As with all things, rhymed poetry has simply slipped a bit from what is considered fashionable at the moment. And when I say "rhyme," I am talking about traditional end rhyme. Rhyme is still very much alive and well; however, these days you will see it more as internal rhyme (i.e., at other positions within the line rather than at the end). That's not to say it will remain this way. End rhyme will most likely come back into vogue. Poetry is just subject to trends, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out there practicing what is not currently fashionable. So feel free to practice whatever type of poetry is comfortable and natural for you. Rhymed, traditional forms like sonnets, sestinas, etc. or standard free verse. It's all good! Though not everyone here writes in all forms, we will certainly read and appreciate every kind of form. And if there is any TP hanging off your shoe, we'll quietly inform you somehow. Same with boogers hanging out your nose! *LOL* Love, M | ||
| 4rum
Member Username: 4rum Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thanks ~M~; There is a lot to like about WP, not the least of which are some pretty good poets! I have read some dicussions that were very sophisticated and responsibly handled as well. I've not had time to enjoy the site fully, but I've peeked in here and there, you can be very proud of this wonderful, creative group of friends. Oh... now go read Where Are The Dragons, it was written to you (Message edited by 4rum on December 29, 2006) | ||
| Zefuyn
Member Username: zefuyn Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2006 |
4rum - thank you for this message. I confess that I delight in the excess of free form poetry on this site, as the quality always seems higher, the content more personal, less restricted, but having said that it can be done well (strict form). I'm now determined to review more rhyming poems. As I'm completely inept at it, I find it hard to critique the form, but maybe I'll learn something. Good on you for voting 'rhyme'. 'Poems are a garland of small freedoms' P D'Souza | ||
| Ava South
Intermediate Member Username: avasouth Post Number: 892 Registered: 05-2006 |
I write both kinds of poetry, 4rum. And I like both kinds as well. Personally, I keep pretty busy with the challenges, limericks, cinquains, etc., and have hardly any time left for other writing. I'm up for more rhymes on this site. I'll try it with all of my might. But it seems to me, I'm stuck, dontcha see on limerick rhyming's delights. Ava | ||
| sue kay
Valued Member Username: suekay Post Number: 296 Registered: 11-2005 |
I think any type of poetry is welcome. I have read some very accomplished rhyming work here, but it is rare. Me, I like to use rhyme for light verse. I also have tried various verse forms but find them too difficult and not happy enough with the results to post. Maybe if someone went first.......?  anyway, no matter what you choose I think you'll find the feedback here enormously useful. regards sue | ||
| Ava South
Intermediate Member Username: avasouth Post Number: 897 Registered: 05-2006 |
I'll look back in some of my old pieces and maybe I can find a rhyming poem for you, 4rum and sue. It will probably be somehting fairly corny, so which place would be best? Sub or CV? Ava | ||
| 4rum
Member Username: 4rum Post Number: 83 Registered: 12-2006 |
After my initial post, I read the many responses and felt sort of bad that I had raised the issue. I did not want to make waves, or be disruptive. I like and read poetry in all forms, styles and structures. I just personally prefer rhyme. This may be a product of my childhood with nursery rhymes, or simply the appreciation of discipline in strict form poetry. I do like the rhythm of well metered form. I won't make any claim as to the quality or merit of my own writing, nor will I compare it to any one else's. I'm happy that there does seem to be interest in rhyme by several members of WP, but what and how YOU write was not as important to me (I obviously like the site) as a need to play a positive role and interact well with you folks in YOUR established stations here. Admittedly, I think I spoke too soon. I couldn't be happier with all the warm replies, but I haven't been very fair. I haven't really put much out there for you folks to go by. I've been a little hesitant because I do write in rhyme, and then I'm very busy just now, and my writing is suffering. I do have some prewritten poems in different forms I've started to study. I'll put up one or two, but mostly try to read and learn from you folks here. Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply here. This is a huge response to a newcomer, I know that and I appreciate it. | ||
| ~M~
Board Administrator Username: mjm Post Number: 9190 Registered: 11-1998 |
Dear 4rum -- relax, hon. And please do not feel bad about raising this issue (or any other, for that matter). You are not making waves or being disruptive. You are starting a valid discussion and we always encourage that. I think that you will find most members (99.9%) here at Wild are very friendly and supportive folks. They are more than happy to join in the discussion or offer assistance or pitch in in whatever way is necessary and helpful. I hate to burst any bubbles, but the response you received is pretty normal. It's one hell of a good community of people. I respect and admire them all. Just go with the flow and talk about whatever you'd like. That's why we established this discussion forum -- to get folks talking to one another. We all learn a lot when that happens. And we're grateful for your questions, your posts, your comments, and your participation. Fondly, M | ||
| Fred Longworth
Intermediate Member Username: sandiegopoet Post Number: 842 Registered: 05-2006 |
4rum, Best as I can tell, I was the only poster who voiced reservations about rhyming poetry. It is not rhyming poetry that I have a problem with -- Auden, Frost, Wordsworth all wrote in rhyme. I have problems with rhyming poetry where the rhyme guides the meaning, and where the possibilities of meaning are limited by the writer's inventory of rhyming words. A well-written rhyming poem impresses me as much as a well-written free-verse poem. What I will stand on is that a large number of beginning poets use simple rhymes and are obsessed with writing about their relationship, unless they are highly religious, and then it's about them and God, or unless they are highly political, and then it's usually a liberal diatribe against the Establishment. Write good-quality anything, and I'll be one of the first to applaud. Fred | ||
| 4rum
Member Username: 4rum Post Number: 92 Registered: 12-2006 |
Dear Fred; I noted your reservation in your first response. It was very well written and expressed. I agreed with what you said and appreciated the straightforward manner in which you addressed my question. This second response by you is just as proper and appropriate as the first. I respect and concur with the opinions you have expressed. I am a beginning poet, I just happen to enjoy rhyming, metered, rhythmic poetry. I'm afraid I'm not in the league with the distinguished writers you mention. I'm a strong believer in God, but I don't write about that much. I enjoy relationships, but most of those poems will have to be in the adult boards... I get a little rowdy on occasion. I love reading and writing childrens verse, it's usually simple, directed toward a younger audience, and IT IS FUN!!! That's important to me. I am still new. There IS still the great joy in seeing my thoughts written down. I love humor... Samuel Clemens, Will Rogers, these are some of the folks I grew up reading so you'll most likely see my writing influenced by them and the likes of Joel Chandler Harris, Alcee Fortier, or Enid Blyton. I do sometimes write to social issues, nature and the beauty I see around me or humorous events. As for free verse or writing unincumbered by any discipline, some I find exhilerating, provocative, wonderful. Some is emotion in motion, lyrical, visual, viceral. But... I also have issues with this genre when written poorly. A narrative of chopped lines in which the punctuation has been left out as a poor disguise for enjoined or enjammed verse, or the arrangement of such nonsense into quatrains or couplets does NOT make it poetry to anyone but the writer. Sometimes I wonder if the author actually reads his work once written. Now... having said that, I also have a tendancy to seek out things I like and comment on those. I read much more than I comment on. Above all else, I believe in the individuals thrust toward creativity. I have learned to simply stop reading if a piece does not appeal to me. I don't feel a need to take the author to task, I simply have a difference of taste. As for grammar, punctuation, tense... yes those are important, but personally I feel the stifling of creativity because of them is the greater ignorance. We all can and should stive to keep learning. Already I see that I can learn a great deal from you. Maybe, as I advance, I'll pick up something along the way that I can share with you. And so Fred, I sincerely appreciate the time and interest you have given me. I have no issues with anything you've written in this thread. Wishing you a great day an' a whooooole pocket full of fresh ideas for your pen. |
